Sunday, December 9, 2007

How would you have played it differently?

How would you have played this hand differently? EDIT: Edits from analysis are in Bold and Italics

Full Tilt Poker Game #4451886630: Bounty (33205444), Table 2 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:52:32 ET - 2007/12/09
Seat 1: DubsPoke (5,170)
Seat 2: roochie m (5,495)

Seat 3: WallStreetFish (1,990)
Seat 4: Beenzy (2,445)
Seat 5: zhdk (1,715)
Seat 6: BUSTEDFLUSH123 (5,525)
Seat 7: NEESE1 (1,610)
Seat 9: 16lucky16 (6,050)
DubsPoke posts the small blind of 50
roochie m posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DubsPoke [Ac Qd]
WallStreetFish folds
Beenzy folds
zhdk folds
NEESE1 folds
16lucky16 calls 100
DubsPoke raises to 400
WallStreetFish is feeling angry
roochie m calls 300
16lucky16 calls 300
*** FLOP *** [6s Qh Ts]
DubsPoke bets 400 (My first mistake, making a value bet with only TPTK-top pair top kicker)
roochie m calls 400
16lucky16 folds
*** TURN *** [6s Qh Ts] [6h]
DubsPoke bets 1,000
roochie m raises to 2,000
DubsPoke calls 1,000 (Second mistake - roochie m's range of starting hands is very broad and he has played very aggressively in the tourney at this point, a 6 is definitely in his range, as well as q-10.....I should have just folded at this point)

*** RIVER *** [6s Qh Ts 6h] [4d]
DubsPoke has 15 seconds left to act
DubsPoke bets 1,200
roochie m raises to 2,695, and is all in
DubsPoke has 15 seconds left to act
DubsPoke: you call 4x preflop with a 6?
DubsPoke: ahh well, was fun, gl all
DubsPoke calls 1,170, and is all in
Uncalled bet of 325 returned to roochie m

*** SHOW DOWN ***
roochie m shows [5d 6d] three of a kind, Sixes
DubsPoke shows [Ac Qd] two pair, Queens and Sixes
roochie m wins the pot (10,740) with three of a kind, Sixes
DubsPoke: putz
DubsPoke stands up

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,740 Rake 0
Board: [6s Qh Ts 6h 4d]
Seat 1: DubsPoke (small blind) showed [Ac Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 2: roochie m (big blind) showed [5d 6d] and won (10,740) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 3: WallStreetFish didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Beenzy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: zhdk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: BUSTEDFLUSH123 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: NEESE1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: 16lucky16 (button) folded on the Flop

Let's just say I didn't handle this beat well. Still learning to control the emotions and I apologize sincerely to roochie m and the rest at the table for the "Hellmuth antics" and verbal abuse.

EDIT: After some analysis it is obvious that I allowed roochie m to win this pot through my own poor post-flop play. I encourage everyone to read "the monster stack" comments to this post. Some excellent analysis.

On the brigher side, before this disaster in game, I won 4 out of 5 $10 9seat SNG.

Bankroll, after being down to $540 to start sunday is now up to $680.

See you at the virtual felt,

BR: $680


  1. I saw the hand as it happened. The 6d-5d is a nice speculation hand with which to see a flop. It is actually better to have this hand than K-K against aces pre-flop. I am not saying that he should have called a 4BB bet but he did. He was actually getting the right price to call (assuming he thought the limper would come along) against a hand like A-K or A-Q. He was only a 3-2 dog there.

    Your bet on the flop was way too small. If you are betting for information you did not bet enough. You were basically telling him you had A-Q (or at least a Q). It looked more like a bet for value rather than a continuation bet. Your bet should have been between 1/2 and 2/3 of the pot. He speculated and got lucky on the turn.

    Your turn bet of 1,000 was better. Half the pot serves both as an information bet as well as a value bet if he has a queen. He min-raised and that's when you should have cut your losses and folded. I think you knew you were beat but didn't want to believe that he had called you twice with a six in his hand.

    I think you could have gotten away from this hand by at least the turn and had about 3,400 in chips. It sucks but sometimes you have to go with your gut. When your big hands get beat, they are beat and you need to pick a better spot. And to answer the question you asked at the table, he is the type to call 4BB with a six.

    I hope this helps and keep it up on your bankroll building efforts. Controlling emotions will help tremendously. Next time, just say "nh" and/or "gg" and go to the next. You are going to play just too many hands to care about one. And this will certainly not be the worst beat you will experience. Sometimes it's easier to blame the other player for your beats. I prefer to first look at my play and then look at the play of the other player. Sometimes it will be your error and sometimes it will be someone else's. But it helps to look within first.

    See you on the felt,
    The Monster Stack

  2. Thanks for the excellent insight. I actually was thinking about this hand most of the night and pretty much came to the same realization. One of the weaker points of my game is the "continuation bet vs value bet" and deciding on what amount is an appropriate amount.

    2nd weak point is obviously deciding when to drop the hand that is beat. After seeing the loose play of roochie m throughout the beginning of the event, it was obvious that he likes pretty much any suits, especially in the tourney. Therefore a 6 was well within his range. My weak bet on the flop made it possible for him to see the turn.

    My 3rd weak point is being able to make the right plays within the time constraints of online play. What I mean is that I have the ability to make the right play but I play too quick and make the snap judgement before fully analyzing the hand and how it has played out. If I would have realized the mistake of my weak flop bet in a more timely fashion, I could have avoided the consequences.

    This game we love and play is definitely a learning process and I'll just keep at it.

    Thanks for coming back to visit my blog Monster, I sincerely appreciate your input and am really enjoying your articles at

  3. After reading your follow-up analysis based on my comments I have come to the conclusion that you are miles ahead of many players. Most players do not admit when they may have played a hand incorrectly and therefore never adjust according. As a result, they never improve. You are a true student of the game and will only get better because of it. Good luck!

  4. you analysis is great , and roochie m is a very LAG , the fact that you even care enought to analyze a losing hand put you way ahead of most poker player who just like to blame it on variance or being cold decked ,

  5. Is there a link I can use to send you a private e-mail?