Thursday, June 19, 2008

Two hands I think I played incorrectly yet still won

So I got in a very brief session yesterday. A winning session (+1.5 buy-ins). Yet I question the two hands that won me the most money. What do you think of my play? My comments are below each instant replay.

My analysis: Villian here is a 21/19/4.5 player over 200+ hands. The definition of slightly loose, aggressive, perhaps bluffs a bit too much.

Preflop: I'm ok with flatting from SB. Folding is an option but he is a full buy-in+ and I think he'll pay me off if I hit a set.
Flop: Error #1, I need to bet my set, especially being out of position. My thoughts at the time was that I would check-raise. whoops.
Turn: I got to bet now to protect my hand from the 4card flush. His flat call scares me.
River: Maybe he missed. Let's bet. Crap. Got raised. @#%@#%@#$ I hate RNG. crying call. WOOHOO!

Terribly played hand imo. Looking for input on if river call of raise was correct. I think have the odds to justify it but perhaps I was just being a spewtard.

My analysis: Only 14 hands on this guy but he has been a spewtard playing over 50% of his hands raising 42% of them, and an AF of over 5 (means bluffing often), but very micro hand sample worries me.

PRE: I flat from Big Blind with a pocket pair that gets me in trouble often. Nothing wrong here.
Flop: Check-raise. Crap. Let's see where I'm at. I actually paused to think this one out. he pushes. What hands push? Sets flat. Overpairs flat. Draws push right? Semi bluffs push? Complete air? Nah, he has something just don't think it is that strong. Let's look at hand ranges. Based on his play so far, I narrow his range to TPGK, OPES, two pair, perhaps a set. Only overpair possible in my mind is JJ.

I have a gutshot plus an over. I'm ahead of the majority of the hands he could have. Make confident call for once.

Ship it.

What do you all think? Good thinking or spewtard who will continue to be a breakeven player?



  1. Your first play is good. You have to put him on a big pair or something like that. Give him some rope. I do agree sometimes you raise the flop there.. he probably goes all in on the flop if you raise him. The flush card scared him. He did not bet enough on the river to make you fold. You gotta at least call.

    The TT hand is hard. Obviously this guy is a retard. So the call is good. However I hate going broke with an overpair. I really have trouble with hands like that.

    All in all I think you played both hands fine.

  2. Hand #1: You don't always have to bet your sets on the flop, but I think this is a good situation to do so. Villain raised preflop, so if he has an ace you are in business, so I would throw out a good-sized bet. If he calls or raises you, then he's got an ace and you can go to town. It's a good opportunity to build the pot.

    Checking the flop doesn't help you define his hand, which causes problems later on. That fourth club on the river, I don't think I can call that raise. Because this hand was played so passively, it's very to think that he has a club, and he played his bluff well I think. I don't think you can consistently make that call and win in the long run.

    Hand #2: I re-pop preflop. I don't see any reason not to, especially if this guy is laggy.

    These two examples you've provided show you trying to slowplay with a CR on the flop and be trappy. On dangerous looking flops, this should not be your first instinct. 10-10 drastically loses its value postflop, which is why I advocate the 3-bet pre, and I advocate a bet on the flop since you have an overpair with a gutshot draw.

    Now, I agree mostly with your analysis on his holdings, although it's possible that he has QQ-AA.

    I just think overall you have to be careful about playing passive with a vulnerable hand. Your set was very strong on the flop, but progressively got weaker on the turn and the river, and yet that's where you committed all of your money. The second hand, your hand is strongest preflop, but you didn't try and extract value there, especially being out of position, and when you caught a great flop, the CR is risky and too passive if you ask me. You're running a serious risk of checking it around and a dangerous card hitting the turn.

    There are times to play passively, but it's important to be aware of the situation you're in before you do it.